Roberto Bello

5 Feb

Here is a fun little article…it is especially fun for me as Steve Sebastian is a friend of mine that I have not seen in years…The article and issue are old, but I think it goes back to the whole idea of Rob labeling and trying to discredit anyone who would question him.

Sebastian approached Bell following one Sunday evening service and suggested that he ditch his fascination with the so-called redemptive movement hermeneutic and get back to preaching the Scriptures. Bell’s response surprised Sebastian.

“He burst out laughing and asked me in a sarcastic tone if I knew how we came to have the canon of Scripture. [He] belittled the process by which the canon of Scripture was decided upon by suggesting it was absurd that 300 men in some meeting could accurately tell us what books should be included,” Sebastian said.

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10 Responses to “Roberto Bello”

  1. Steve Sebastian February 6, 2008 at 12:43 am #

    Unfortunately I am probably one of the last people (this side of judgment day) who had the opportunity to debate Rob and his “theology” before he realized that debating just really isn’t his forum. I, like many, would love to see him actually defend his positions with someone other than a starry eyed Rob-ot or curious news reporter.
    Like the hopes of a Fab-Four reunion tour, it’s my opinion that the hopes of a Rob vs.Bible Scholar cage match died sometime long,long ago:( sorry.
    Keep up the great work poopemerges.
    1Tim 1:5-7
    Steve

  2. Preson February 6, 2008 at 1:56 pm #

    I personally have problems with the way the books were chosen too, and how many of the ones “not inspired” were destroyed. I think we are much more capable of making those descisions today. We much more knowledge of history, much more understanding of the culture in which it was written, and I think we do a great disservice by never even thinking about revisiting the descisions of our forefathers.
    It’s kind of like how we want to take our country back to what it was “founded on”, but in order to do that, we would have to excuse genocide, and slavery, while holding hope in things like “manifest destiny”.
    Pretty rediculous if you ask me. I’m just glad that God is preserving his truth, despite our historical efforts to make him fit ours.

  3. poopemerges February 6, 2008 at 2:04 pm #

    The problem with your argument P is that it assumes a stupid and powerless God…He was powerful enough and smart enough to make sure that Scripture was inspired, but to weak and stupid to make sure that he guided those who canonized it…and then not powerful enough to make sure that the church, his bride had his full counsel for 2000 years…this is not a God I want to worship…he does not seem too bright.

  4. Preson February 6, 2008 at 2:26 pm #

    Not at all really. That’s why I said that God is powerful enough to “preserve his truth despite our efforts to make him fit our truth”.
    We all know that, historically, the church (in the name of Jesus Christ) has done some pretty godawful things. And come to some pretty terrible conclusions. Many have been done away with, some we are still working on putting away (dispensationalism/rapture escatology/etc…). Even Rob Bell, in velvet elvis, said that the same holy spirit that inspired the writings, could have been in that room, guiding those people.
    My point is this: why shouldn’t every generation revisit these things. Instead we take the words of people who wrestled with God from the same point of view that we do, but somehow, their descicions rise above all of our own? None of us know these men that chose to completely destroy historical books, (many of them first hand writings, about what they know that Jesus said and did) we don’t know their motives, or hearts, we simply trust our fallible history. And if we go by that, what’s to stop it from happening again? Why would they not think that the generations to come wouldn’t be led by the spirit enough to read them all and search for truth in them as we seek to know God? Instead, they decided for us. That doesn’t bother you in any way? Wouldn’t you want to find out for yourself? I truly believe in the preservation of Gods word, not through councils and bookburnings, but through the wisdom to be led.
    Thats all. nothing harsh, not trying to dumb anything down. I’m sure they did what they “believe” was right. I’m just saying that maybe it wasn’t their descicion.
    I guess that’s a little bit of postmodernity in me. N.T. Wright said “God sent postmodernity to confuse the languages of the tower of Babel that is “modernity”, so that we would stop worshiping our conclusions and start searching for Him”

  5. poopemerges February 6, 2008 at 2:38 pm #

    I have no problem with the Canon whatsoever. I believe that given the criteria that we have the fullness of the inspired written word of God. I believe the Spirit led those men. I do not see these men who worked on the canon as enemies but rather as chosen by God for a certain time and place. I think that God knows what he is doing..and that he would not have left us for 2000 years without his full counsel. Beyond that I think that the history of the church must be allowed to speak…The Canon is not modern…it is pre-modern. And generally the whole Postmodern thing is getting old, Moderns and postmoderns worship at different sides of the same idol.

  6. MVanDrie February 7, 2008 at 9:27 am #

    I find it to be sad that Rob won’t discuss what he really believes. I guess that he doesn’t really believe that we need to “repaint the Christian faith in community” as he says in his first book.

  7. Steve Sebastian February 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm #

    So basically P, you are saying is that every generation should re-write, add and or subtract to/from the books currently in the Bible as needed or determined by someone?? who then?? You seem to have the same problem that plagues the whole emergent movement, no belief in absolute truth. Your argument leads to no truth at all. The false path that Rob leads people down is by not defining the difference between asking questions vs. questioning answers. The Bible answers every single one of life’s questions directly and indirectly yet you are not satisfied with that so you (and the entire emergent conversation) question the integrity of the document. This is the same way that Satin questioned the integrity of God’s statement about the consequences eating the fruit. I knew Rob personally and followed his ministry from the beginning. His questions are not designed to glean the truths of scripture, his questions are designed to undermine the truths of scripture by placing doubts about the reliability of the document(i.e. the canonized scripture). As the reliability of the document fails your faith is now in crisis, so you default to your own common sense and , wha-la.. You are no longer trusting in a tangible God as revealed in scripture, but,in a convoluted god of universal truth, able to be molded by whoever else you decide is worthy of believing. Sorry to be so blunt but hopefully you will invest your trust in the words which have weathered the tests of time and careful scrutiny (not the un-scolarly ramblings of a Brian McClaren or Rob Bell) to consistently lead men and women in an eternally life changing salvation through the knowledge of the Jesus contained within IT’S pages, not the fantasy Jesus who’s being re-painted to appeal to the corrupt, faithless, culture around us.
    Steve

  8. Steve Sebastian February 24, 2008 at 9:19 am #

    Kyle,
    That was a great article.
    It makes me wonder-what is the disconnect going on with people who preach about Jesus but don’t affirm that the scripture is Spirit inspired, absolute and unchangeable truth?
    Steve

  9. Brian April 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm #

    People are acting like the canon was just picked out of the blue by 300 people. That’s nonsense. Most of the books of the New Testament were considered authoritative early on. Now, there are some like Jude that barely made the cut. But the books that were near-misses were hardly Gnostic treatises on Jesus. Rather, they are works like the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, 1/2 Clement, and the Didache. These works are hardly hidden from us.

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